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kham
68 posts
Jun 05, 2016
8:41 AM
Hi all.

I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for a good solo for Thrill is Gone. I guess it is played easiest in third position on an A harp. Doe's that fit? Any videos or audios would be much appreciated. I'm having musicians block creatively for this song.I have been playing it on an E harp in 2nd. Audio for that position and harp would also work for me. I need ideas!

Cheers.
Mighty Slim
54 posts
Jun 05, 2016
9:35 AM
Here is how I do it, 3rd position on a G harp, song key is Am instead of Bm to make it easier for me to sing. Nothing fancy. Good luck.



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Last Edited by Mighty Slim on Jun 05, 2016 9:36 AM
kham
69 posts
Jun 05, 2016
10:06 AM
Beauty. Nice singing too!
Mighty Slim
55 posts
Jun 05, 2016
10:20 AM
You are too kind.

Good luck with your version.
Mirco
419 posts
Jun 05, 2016
10:27 AM
Third position is the natural way to go. I play it on an A harp.
Here's my version with the band. Solo around 2:00.

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Last Edited by Mirco on Jun 05, 2016 10:28 AM
Martin
1018 posts
Jun 05, 2016
1:17 PM
Well, I wouldn´t say 3d pos is more "natural" than 5th och 4th, that also lays out nicely on the diatonic.
Harp2swing
230 posts
Jun 05, 2016
4:36 PM
Here's Dennis Moriarty playing the song in Bm. (Solo @ 5:30). Switching from an E to an A harp in second part of the solo.
snowman
211 posts
Jun 05, 2016
7:51 PM
something I made a year and a half ago

---at [ 1:37 just harp –no backing track]
at [2:46 Thrill w/ ‘F natural minor harp’ and backing track]

listen to intro to hear why I prefer ‘nat minor’ over ‘3rd pos’

hope this helps
timeistight
2003 posts
Jun 05, 2016
11:58 PM
Here's Butterfield playing it in second position:
Diggsblues
2037 posts
Jun 06, 2016
2:27 PM
I've played it second you just have to get the b3 solid. Dennis Moriarity is Mr. Tasty great player.
And what can I say about Butterfield.
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Halffast
44 posts
Jun 07, 2016
6:00 AM
What key harp is Butterfield using ?
Martin
1021 posts
Jun 07, 2016
8:44 AM
@Halffast: Regular D.
Halffast
45 posts
Jun 08, 2016
5:32 AM
Thanks Martin . I've been going to some jam sessions with a local band . They do this song in Am . I used my Lee Oskar Am in 2nd position ( it is Am when played in 2nd ) and it matched up well . Just for the heck of it , I tried my D in 2nd and I thought it sounded a bit better .
Gabriel
2 posts
Jun 08, 2016
10:39 AM
I play it Third Position A harp. I know Paul Butterfield played it with an E harp but very few people I know can get that 3 draw bend down everytime.
Dragonbreath
90 posts
Jun 09, 2016
9:23 PM
Don't forget the 6:th chord! How do you deal with it?
In 2:nd pos., not only is that 3 draw bend hard, but that 6:th chord root note isn't easy either. 1st and 4th hole OB's, 8th hole blow bend. In 3:rd pos., at least it's only the 6th hole OB, and the "easier" 3 draw bend. In 5:th pos. it's easy blow notes (1,4,7,10), but then instead you need 5 OB to get that 3:rd in the 2:nd octave.
I only set my harps up for 6th OB, so I go with 3:rd pos. Although 4:th pos. does seem to lay out very nicely, no OB's, maybe I should get more accustomed to that position :)

Last Edited by Dragonbreath on Jun 09, 2016 9:24 PM
GamblersHand
612 posts
Jun 10, 2016
5:19 AM
@Dragonbreath
I might be misunderstanding your post - Thrill has a VIb chord (G major if song in usual key of Bm) i.e. a Vib - V instead of a V - IV

This G root note is a 4OB in 2nd i.e. E harp in Bm
3 draw half-step or 6OB in 3rd A harp in Bm
1 / 4 / 7 / 10 blow in 5th G harp in Bm

The other notes of the G chord (B, D) are
2 draw / 3 draw half-step in 2nd
4 draw / 5 draw in 3rd
2 blow / 2 draw in 5th

So the song should be easiest in 5th, though I haven't heard anyone play it in this position
1847
3470 posts
Jun 10, 2016
7:58 AM
don't think of it as a flat 6... think of it as
a big scary sharp 5.... ooooooo scary.

or better yet... don't think too much about it.

play the notes that sound good and avoid the one's that sound bad.

later you can analyze and see what notes work and why.

i almost always start in 5 th. usually switch to 2 nd
as things develop.


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Last Edited by 1847 on Jun 10, 2016 7:59 AM
rbeetsme
1672 posts
Jun 10, 2016
11:27 AM
Butter was good, but Dennis was smokin', great job!
R2D2
36 posts
Jun 10, 2016
3:33 PM
I'm a sucker for minor tuned harps. Work great on Thrill is Gone and Otis Rush minor blues. May give that a try.
harpoon_man
174 posts
Jun 10, 2016
6:42 PM
The Dennis version rocks - great harp, great vocalist and band. The Butterfield version...I'm not feeling it.
bigd
623 posts
Jun 11, 2016
9:00 PM
I'm no academic about this but it always "feels" to me like "The Thrill" kind of plays the harmonica for me. It just falls into the groove so easily in 3rd or 2nd. That particular video was a couple of friends jumping up with my band profoundly unrehearsed. I've done "The Thrill" with Scout (the singer) myriad times since and I will say this: the audience leans into it. I play a lot with a lot of people and I get a "thrill" whenever I land in that song with whomever. Dennis
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